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DDs: Suggester's frustrations

Journal Entry: Mon Oct 22, 2012, 6:21 PM






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Welcome to a new journal in this mini series about Daily Deviations. In the first one I let you know about what I think DDs represent, and then about some of my personal criteria to select them.

Now is time to focus on the suggesters. Those amazing (almost always human) beings who take a moment of their lives to go the extra mile when finding an amazing deviation and suggest it for consideration as a Daily Deviation. Ya know? I wouldn't be able to feature so many amazing art on my own! So before anything else, I want to take a moment to thank all the amazing people who suggest. Thank you guys!



As a person who also suggests DDs once in a while,  I do understand the frustration suggesters often get. So I would like in this occasion to explain some of the reasons why these situations happen, I hope this will help you see the complete picture.

My suggestion got featured, however I didn't appear as the suggester / It got featured by a different CV


The reason is actually very simple. It's quite common to receive multiple suggestions for the same piece, by different people. When this happens CVs have various options. Some may opt to list only the person who suggested it first. Others might add a note in the DD description "Also suggested by ____". If the suggestions were too many, maybe the note could be simply "Suggested by many deviants" etc. Also remember some galleries have more than one CV, so it's quite possible another deviant suggested the same piece to another CV and then got featured. Sometimes can be even more complicated. In my case I schedule several DDs in advance, sometimes weeks. In the meantime the deviation gets featured I may receive more notes suggesting said piece. Going back to the deviation to edit the description can, at times, be complicated, confusing and time consuming. Why not investing my time in checking fresh suggestions instead of making sure every single suggester gets listed so I won't offend anyone?

In every case I think is important to remember that what should matter is that the art you thought deserved to be featured, GOT featured. I'm saying this in the most respectful way: it's not about YOU, is about the ART. I do think is important to give credit to the person who suggested the piece, but the whole point of Daily Deviations is to show great art, not the people who suggested them. If your motivation to suggest DDs is to appear as the suggester so you can get a little extra exposure, maybe you should reconsider your reasons to do it.


I suggest a lot, but my suggestions never get featured


I wish I could say something more inspiring, but maybe the reason why your suggestions aren't picked is as simple as because your personal criteria to determine if a deviation is awesome may differ from the given CV. This includes the skill level from the artist, the exposure the deviation already has and even personal taste.  I said in my previous journal that I do try to leave my personal taste out of the way as much as I can, however is also true that that's impossible. This is a subjective system and ultimately, is the CVs decision to feature the art they want. Try to know your CVs, check their favourites and the DDs they've featured. That way you'll get to know their taste and the art they like to feature. Most CVs have their personal guidelines listed somewhere in their profiles, read them! Another thing that always helps is to give your reason why you think the deviations should be featured. They do work! I've found myself featuring art that at first glance doesn't have anything special, but a good reason can make me change my mind.

Also remember the CVs have very high standards, for as much as you like the deviation, if technically is below average it's unlikely it'll get featured. Yes, the skill level is very subjective, but I don't think you need a degree in Graphic Arts to know when an artwork is not DD material.

Not everything is lost though, fortunately there are some galleries (like literature or Traditional Art for instance) that have more than one CV, more people with different criteria and taste for you to send your suggestions to! If you know for sure your suggestion won't get featured by someone, try sending it to another one.


I never get a response / The CV takes ages to reply


There are a couple of things you should always have in mind.
First off, CVs are VOLUNTEERS. We dedicate some of our free time to do what we do here with no obligation whatsoever, and some of us have school to attend, papers to write and/or a full time job, etc. Some even have family, kids or a husband! (you need to feed them and whatnot). What I'm trying to say is that we love the community and all, but some of us have more or less time to dedicate to it than others. We don't even have the obligation to feature DDs everyday. I know it sounds shocking, but it's true! Also remember DDs are only a portion of what we do as volunteers, and some may opt to do other activities instead of selecting DDs. I also know many CVs who are incredibly active backstage. So remember that a CV who doesn't feature DDs in a daily basis or never replies to their notes doesn't mean they're lazy or they aren't doing their job.

With that in mind, every CV is free to handle their suggestions differently. Some (like me) try to reply to every note, others don't. I know is polite to reply but some CVs are more busy outside DA than others, so maybe some of us don't have time to reply to all our suggestions. It's also worth mentioning that the number of suggestions we receive varies greatly. Some galleries are more busy than others, the range could go from 1 (or none) to dozens a day! That can also give you an idea why some volunteers may not reply to your note, or take a long time to do it.  Have a little patience!

In any case, remember you can always know when your note was already read, when the icon goes from to Even if you don't get a reply you can know if it was already read.

A note about the categories


Now comes the situation of sending your suggestions to the incorrect CV. Remember every category within DA has a CV assigned to it and you should always address your suggestions to the volunteers accordingly. You can always check either FAQ 18: Who selects the Daily Deviation and how is it chosen? or the Community Relations blog, before sending your suggestion.

But there are also times when I receive suggestions for deviations from the Digital Art gallery, so the deviant sent it to me as expected, but then the deviations is actually Anthro,  Manga or Fanart, etc. I get sometimes a deviation can fit several categories, like a digital cartoon can be in the Comics & Cartoons gallery, but it can also very well be in Digital Art, after all is a digital drawing, technically is not incorrect. It's something that I also consider case-by-case, however there are times when no matter how you want to put it, the deviation is a miscat. A good example are fanarts. I know you might think a fanart made with digital mediums could be in the Digital Art gallery, but if the subject and/or scene is based in a TV show, movie, anime, book, etc. then is fanart and it should be in the fanart gallery, so if I receive one of these, it doesn't matter if it was submitted to the Digital Art gallery, I'll redirect you to the fanart CVs.

So what to do? As a suggester you should stick to send the note to the volunteer according to the deviation's category, but if you consider the deviation is a miscat, send it over to the appropiate CV and explain it beforehand.


At the end I think is a matter of understanding each other and putting ourselves in the shoes of the other. In closing: remember volunteers are that, VOLUNTEERS. We do our best but this isn't a job. Every CV is different so it's always best to don't expect the same response from everyone. On the other hand, know that (and I think I can talk for all the CVs here) it's never our intention to be rude, but sometimes situations present themselves and misunderstandings happen. If you ever have a doubt or want a clarification on a particular situation you can always send us a note! We don't bite!


Another journal about DDs! Remember this is my personal opinion and might not reflect the stance of the rest of CVs.
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:iconkida-neechan:
Kida-neechan Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
Well now this is what I call a superb journal entry :thumbsup: You've done very well writing this in all its detail and adding the gif certainly makes funner to read :XD:

Even though I sometimes don't get a reply, I just check whether the note was read or not :) and the 'the whole point of Daily Deviations is to show great art, not the people who suggested them' really got me, I kinda felt bad when I complained that I wasn't listed as a suggester, I've almost forgot the main reason why I suggested those pieces; to share some love for that piece :heart: and I realized I need my brother beside me to give me a good fish-slap to remind me of it :XD:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
In your case, I don't reply to you anymore because you're a common suggester :P I imagine it would be annoying to keep receiving replies from me for every suggestion you send ;P
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Kida-neechan Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
That makes complete sense :dummy: and I don't mind at all :dummy:
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Awkward-Bunii Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
ahaha
i just skip to the gifs
oWo
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ambientdream Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
its kinda hard to be a DD community volunteer u _u all the best to you!
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Thank you! :heart:
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sucaba-des Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012
It's curious to read this few days after I suggested a deviation to you .. (was my first time)
I hope I haven't done anything wrong...
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Xcetera Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Professional Photographer
^Thiefoworld gets a lot of suggestions. I doubt that you and you alone could have caused this whole thing :) :hug:

These problems that he's addressing have being going on for years. Don't be concerned.
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TheLastHuzzah Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great article here! Brilliantly written, and - as always - decorated with the fab gifs you find :XD:
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RetkiKosmos Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
I've suggested many times but never had my suggestions featured, but it would be nice if they did someday!

but something I don't understand is when immensely popular deviations get a DD, I mean if it already has 100,000+ views and a DD is only a drop in the bucket to the attention they get regularly, not that it's not worthy or anything but I feel that DDs should give exposure to artists who wouldn't have it regularly. That's just my take.
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SophieBrigitteXD Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
my suggestions got featured by different CVs a lot of times XD And I have to admit that sometimes it was a little annoying, but I've never thought of complaining about that. I mean, the deviation I liked so much got featured and everyone can see it now, we should all be happy, shouldn't we? =)

I usually don't mind if the CV replies or not, I just check my sent notes to see if they are still unread or not.

Getting a reply from a CV may be awkward sometimes.
It had happened to me once to have a reply from a CV saying all the reason why she wasn't going to feature a deviation I suggested. Those were all good reasons, but she also added that they were linked to her personal criteria, and so I was free to send my suggestion to another CV if I wanted to.
That was so kind of her, and I could have send that note to someone else, but... I understood her reasons so well that I almost felt bad for not having thought about them beforehand XD I felt sorry that she had to use some time to write that long note to me and I thought that maybe she should have just ignored me.
... ok maybe this doesn't make much sense, I know it can be useful to know the reasons why suggestions do not pass through (so we can think about them the next time), but it just felt... awkward .-.
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Miss-It-Girl Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
That awkwardness is exactly why I do not tell anyone whether or not I will use their suggestion. I feel it's better for all involved if I do not give a long list of reasons why I think someone's suggestion isn't worthy :nod:
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SophieBrigitteXD Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, that time I was not told the piece I suggested was unworthy, it was more something amongst the line of “the deviant already received a DD, I think this piece is good, but not as good as that other one, etc…”
Anyway, I think the same and totally agree with you =) I would give the reasons only in the case I was explicitly asked to.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I actually feel awkward to say why I don't plan to feature a given piece, it somehow feels like talking behind the back of the artist ._.
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SophieBrigitteXD Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That’s totally understandable! I think that CVs should just make all the things they consider important in a journal and leave the “case by case” process hidden. And you know, it’s so nice when you forget about having suggested a piece and you simply find it one day amongst the DDs ^^

I think you’re doing just great the way you’re doing now.
By the way, I love the fact that you put some of your suggestion that do not make it through into a journal feature! I think that it’s the best way to say “sorry I won’t give this piece a DD, but here, have some love for it!” <3
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Damaged927 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is exactly why I never told people if I was going to feature a piece. 80%-90% of the suggestions I received were not DD quality but I could never tell the suggester that because, like you said, it felt like I was trashing the artist and they were not able to defend themselves :hmm:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Exactly!
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Damaged927 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We seem to see eye to eye on all of these things :paranoid:
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Xx-Love-NOT-War-xX Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hello, I hope you don't mind me asking...
But, when we send our DD suggestion in the :note:, what all has to be included?
I know there has to be a thumb-nail to the selected piece and a description on why it should be chosen but, is there anything else besides that?

- Thanks!
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
A link and/or a thumb are enough. You're also encouraged to include your reason why you think the deviation should be featured, but it's not required.
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James--Steele Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Usually it's set up like this:

To: ^Thiefoworld
Subject: DD Suggestion

Hello,

I'd like to suggest this piece for a Daily Deviation.
:thumbXXXXXXX:

*insert explanation of why you think it should be chosen*

Thanks!
~Xx-Love-NOT-War-xX

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Or something of the like. :)
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Xx-Love-NOT-War-xX Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh I see; that's what I thought but, I still wanted to be sure.

Thank you very much for the help! ^^
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James--Steele Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
No problem! :love:
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4-CtY Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I feel like I should know this, but what's a CV?
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
This FAQ explains it better than I do :) FAQ #85: Can I be a volunteer on deviantART?
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4-CtY Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Thanks for the info.
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hefeigal Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Community Volunteer. :)
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4-CtY Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Thank you too for answering my question.
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hefeigal Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, no problem. :)
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DanSyron Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I think the process is very 'arbitrary' when you boil it down. This mostly applies to when A DD is suggested because of content whether it be fan art or original content. With fan art (or something based on an existing idea in popular culture), it seems to me that these are weighed more than a composition or a work with completely original ideas (I'm speaking from experience). I do see alot of DD's chosen well because of the passion and intent behind them, but on the flipside, there are also deviations that are chosen by CV's out of what seems to be 'oh well I couldn't find anything really good today so let's just throw this in there.'

I would like to see CV's pick DD's after they've examined the entire image and the description as alot can be inferred by an artist's passion behind a piece. Do some homework and stuff and don't go 'this is good i'm picking it' as I have also seen DD's selected with stolen content.

DD's are a big deal to people, so appropriate care is essential. It also wouldn't be fair if generic 'kawaii desu uguu' eyes are chosen over something truly extraordinary in both premise and composition. But then again, i'm no CV, so I might as well be talking out my ass on something I really don't know too much of the logistics behind.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Of course is arbitrary! :lol: It's based on subjetivity and it's handled by humans. Misunderstandings, conspiracy theories and mistakes are bound to happen. However I do believe CVs already select DDs with care, at least on my end, I never make a decision right away and it's never because "Oh! this is nice, I'll feature it" and period, I take many aspects into account and I always do some research before featuring. And with the amount of suggestions I receive certainly I'll NEVER SAY "I have nothing better to feature today, so have this"

I get not all people perceive it that way though, but unfortunately I can't change anyone's mind if they're convinced of the contrary.
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EriDaiho Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
being a suggester or get a DD.... WHAT A BIG DEAL! like I read lines above " IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU - IT'S ABOUT THE ART... "
Well, that logic won't affect me because I'm on the "black list" so I'm not going to receive any DD or my suggestions will be rejected :P
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I'm curious as to why you say you're on the "black list" now :lol:
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EriDaiho Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Because I had 2 suspended notifications and almost a ban from DA for uploading CENSORED mature pictures.... and because of a watermark on my gallery wich was listed as mature content (a non pornographic artist blog?) that's why I think I'm on that black list, and I know how THINGS work here and I'm pissed... however I can live with that :D
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Haha, well any deviation of yours that doesn't break any policy is still elegible to be featured, regardless of your history, so I would say never say never ;)
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SEMC Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I knew there was a reason why I stopped watching you. All this focus on popularity contests harms artists and arrests artistic development. Instead of being about the fulfilment of self and engagement in community and personal development as both a person and an artists, we have this obscene popularity contest and associated drama. Instead of being happy, focusing on one's own artwork and fans, we have artists who strive to socialize with the movers and shakers of DA so they can show up on the front page. I never look at DD's unless I mis-click when scrolling.

I say we remove the practice entirely.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
That's one way to see the whole Daily Deviations system and I respect that, if that's the way you see it there's nothing I can do to change your mind :) not all of us see it that way though. At least I appreciate you decided to remove yourself of the situation, unwatched me and never look at DDs anymore, more people should do that instead of complaining constantly on them :shrug:
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SEMC Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm tired of the whining and/or kissing ass from artists and their fans. It ruins a good time and the relationship between artists and their fans/commissioners. Its never worth it.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
However that happens everywhere, not only on Daily Deviations.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You are endorsing this behavior. You could stop.
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tincek-marincek Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
Awesome article... and yea, you're right. I don't know why people complain if they are not listed as DD suggester.
They should be happy that piece was featured... even if it was suggested by another member and featured by another
CV. It's all about
ART :dummy: :la: :w00t: :dalove:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
:thumbsup:
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Damaged927 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have seen the "I wasn't listed as the suggester" complaint many times and it always confuses me. To me, if the art got featured then my job was done. Shouldn't you be happy that the art got the feature? Wasn't that the point of suggesting it? I mean, last time I checked the DD was for the artist, not the suggester :XD:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Exactly! :thumbsup:
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zummerfish Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I can't complain that my suggestions don't get featured; 7 out of 10 times they are XD

One of my main problems with DDs is actually the unfair ratio of works displayed, with photography being prevalent. Now I know that there is plenty of photography genres, but really, so is to paintings, so is to traditional art. It often comes down to the fact that most of DDs are photos. It's nearly everyday that I see abstract photos being featured, albeit in its majority those are just same staircases/bridges at fancy angles, pin-ups or fetish photos and traditional darkroom stuff. It's all good and well if those are aesthetically valuable, but truly, sometimes it feels like some CVs feature works non-stop while others sleep through suggestions. Are that many people interested in seeing fetish photos every day? Traditional darkroom? It's kinda of sad because other art styles have just as many genres, and we scarcely see more than 1-2 works out of those. Here I mean mostly traditional art, paintings, collages, sculpture; sometimes various designs and typography. It's almost as if suggesting that DA became a photography gallery with a CV for each photo genre.

Another problem is of course is quality of DDs. Now I have no issue with beginner art being featured, or featuring of concept-based art, but nonetheless DDs are sort of DA face. Thousands of people draw inspiration from DD and aspire to get to that level, so they should exceed your average generic in either execution or concept. Sometimes both are lacking, and it's even tougher to understand why this or that got featured when it's no longer necessary for CV to comment on the feature :/
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Astralseed Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Professional General Artist
We currently have 5 Traditional Art CVs and all 5 of us generally make a point to have a DD up every day. Aside from that the Artisan Craft CVs have been taking Sculpture suggestions alongside us and some staff members and other CVs sometimes also DD out of the traditional gallery. So on a bad day you'll have at minimum 4 or 5 traditional DDs for the day, which really doesn't happen very often. I understand that photography may be overshadowing traditional on the DD page, but I think with closer inspection you'll notice that other categories aren't as under represented as they are being perceived.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
Well, Photography is actually the largest category on the site, even more than Digital or Traditional Art (from what I've heard) so that will give you an idea of the number of photography DDs everyday. I get what you say though, and I also wish more obscure categories, genres and themes were featured everyday, but unfortunately that's a little difficult, specially when a given sub community is very small. Take Pixel Art for instance, featuring a DD everyday from this community is a lot more challenging given the number of pixel artists compared with photographers, same with Typography, Sculpture, etc. It's not that a CV sleeps through suggestions, is because they don't receive many of them, their category is smaller. (I just want to make clear I'm not saying this as in "less important")
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zummerfish Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah it figures that photography has numbers on its side, because it's arguably more accessible in terms of tools. Still I feel that this exactly why the number of its featured DDs should be cut down in favour of other genres. Instead of featuring one DD for nearly each photo sub-category, I wish they made it one or two DDs for whole photo category. Maybe something like Monday - fetish photos, Tuesday - landscapes, etc :lol:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2012
I don't think limiting features for a category just to favour others is fair either :o In fact, you're not even favouring them, not because you reduce 4 photography features to just 1 means you'll get more traditional art of typography, etc.
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Decadia Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2012  Student General Artist
I think suggesting is fun and frustrating sometimes or even at the same time if that makes any sense. xD Great journal Theifo! :heart:
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