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Digital Art - Drawings and Paintings

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
I'll be adding some points brought by the community at the bottom of the journal to deepen the discussion about them, scroll down for the edits!




Back in september, a discussion about the differences between Paintings and Drawings took place. The conclusion of said discussion was in a nutshell; that the differences between the two are not really that discernable which lead to confusion from the community and that was evident for you could see a mix of both in both sub-galleries. So now we're happy to announce that both sub-categories got merged into: Digital Art > Drawings & Paintings.

Another thing is that Digital Art > Other disappeared since that was another misleading category which included other sub-categories within, some of which made no sense.

Btw, you don't need to do anything if you had artworks in these sub-categories, so don't worry, they won't just disappear or anything ;)

The official statement about this can be found here and this also leads to the next point...

As stated by Moonbeam13 in that journal, there is a lot of redundancy in the current Category Tree which can be confusing both for browsing and submitting. There are sub-categories within sub-categories and sometimes these are not clear enough, they're no longer necessary, etc. So the Community Relations team  will be working in the following weeks to try to eliminate this redundancy as much as possible, merge, add and substract sub-categories if necessary so the category system be more simple, clear and straightforward. AND WE NEED YOUR INPUT!

The different CVs will be posting journals like this so we can discuss the categories piece by piece, in this journal I would like us to discuss Digital Art > Drawings & Paintings

This is the current D&P category tree:

    Digital Art

      Drawings & Paintings

        :bulletpink: Abstract :bulletpink: Animals :bulletpink: Fantasy :bulletpink: Graffiti
          - Abstract - Characters - Stencils - Text
        :bulletpink: Illustrations
          Conceptual Storybook Technical
        :bulletpink: Landscapes & Scenery :bulletpink: Macabre & Horror :bulletpink: Other :bulletpink: People
          - Fantasy - Groups - Open Format - Pin-Up - Portraits - Sci-Fi
        :bulletpink: Political :bulletpink: Pop Art :bulletpink: Psychedelic :bulletpink: Sci-Fi :bulletpink: Space Art :bulletpink: Still Life :bulletpink: Surreal

What do you think should be changed? Which sub-categories do you think should stay or should go? What about merging some of these, are all of these really necessary? Maybe you think the category tree is perfect just as it is, that's also a valid opinion. I want you to tell me!






Some first ideas

Note: Just to make clear, all of these are just that: ideas at this stage, I can't guarantee they'll happen.

Get rid of People's sub-categories
Are they really necessary? Can't we just have a People & Portraits subcategory and that's it? Or at least eliminate some of them, for example, Sci-Fi, since we already have the Sci-Fi sub-cat outside People.

Graffiti
If you browse the Graffiti sub-category you'll notice is greatly miscatted, do we really need a sole category for Graffiti? Or at least I think we could get rid of the sub-categories under Graffiti. What do you think?

Add more sub-cats to Illustration
Like Editorial, Commercial, Educational and Books (maybe rename Storybook to Books?) etc. Good or bad idea?

Creation of a new Concept Art category
Should something like this be under Digital Art or Design & Interfaces?

Space Art, Sci-Fi and Fantasy
I think Fantasy and Sci-Fi are different enough to continue separated. As for Sci-Fi and Space, maybe they could live together as they're more closely related, however let's consider not all Sci-Fi is set in a space environment, so should they continue in separated categories? should they be merged together?

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mashkina Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In my opinion, the less sub-sub categories there are the better. Many people get confused and do not submit in the proper ones anyway. So I'm totally for People&Portraits only category, without sub-categories, same goes for Graffiti.
I agree, that space and sci-fi can go together, while fantasy is a seprated category.
Also, caricature category might be useful.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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mashkina Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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AwsumZ Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Right. This 'proper comment' I promised you :B

:bulletgreen: First I'm going to bounce off the ideas that others have suggested.

People - I mentioned this in my first comment as well, and I don't think the subcategories are necessary at all. People & Portraits as a subcategory in itself will be perfectly acceptable and useable.

Graffiti - I've never used this category personally, and I don't even know what its for if I'm honest... how can one graffiti digitally? Graffiti is a traditional thing, done on walls and stuff :B I'm pretty sure that we could live without it, and those who do use the category could find somewhere else to place their artwork.

Illustration - More subcats? I think not :stare: There's hundreds of categories on dA, and I think adding more to anything is a bad idea. I'd like to see the subcategories removed completely if I'm honest.

Concept Art - ... why? In this category tree, all that would happen is a shit-tonne of miscats. If it's going to be created at all, it belongs in D&I I'd think, not Digital Art.

Space/Sci-fi/Fantasy - I think they're all different enough to continue living as separate entities, but they're also all similar enough to merge completely into one glorious "Fantasy & Sci-Fi" category.

:bulletgreen: Now moving forward to my own suggestions and thoughts on this.

Other - I think there's plenty of categories for people to choose form that 'Other' is a bit wide and redundant as a category, and an 'Objects' category would be much more useful, as we have Still Life but nothing for when you're drawing an inanimiate object that is not a technical illustration, you know? Unless 'Still Life' was renamed to encompass objects as well, I would consider killing 'Other' and creating 'Objects' in its place.

Abstract/Surreal - There is a huge amount of crossover between these two categories, and much of it is subjective as well, and what one person calls Surreal, another may call Abstract. Take Dali as an example, and his clocks - I believe they were "categorized" as surreal, but I'd happily call that Abstract as well. I think merging those two categories to an "Abstract & Surreal" category would make it easier for everyone.

Political - I'm not particularly sure about this category, its very... exact. To create a more user-friendly system, I'd consider renaming this to 'Conceptual' as with most political art, it is usually the message which is important rather than the artwork itself, and so would fit fine along with other conceptual artwork, which currently doesn't have a category.

Pop Art & Psychadelic - Often can be very different styles of artwork, but also will generally fit in fantastically to other categories. Much pop art features portraits - so can go into the people category, and a lot of psychadelic art is focus around abstract ideas, and so will fit in there. My suggestion would be to remove both these categories.

I think that's everything :)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Now that's what I call a proper comment haha :lol: Thanks for your input :D
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Kukaruz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It would be also very nice and easier for many artists if you would add the category "Manga and Anime" I think ^^
Thanks~
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Manga & Anime has its own category already :)
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Kukaruz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh sorry, my fault! I forgot it! Thanks! ^^
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Midreky Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Student Filmographer
Since I have only seen one person comment about the Graffiti category so far I will add my share because as this other user I believe it should stay.

Sincerely I have always found sub-categories really helpful since if for instance, in the graffiti I was looking for stencil rather than anything else I would have to just click in that option to receive a wide range of what I needed so getting fully rid of the graffiti categories will make all the different sorts merge together and be harder to browse.

This said, maybe the sub-categories should go though or be slightly altered. For example we've got Abstract, Characters, Stencils and Text which are the four types of street art one can possibly encounter but if we search the graffiti category we will not only find photos of the finished pieces. Last time I checked there were also a lot of plans there still in paper or just digitally painted so maybe there should be a sub category for that so it is possible to separate what is a WIP or a CONCEPT from the FINISHED PIECE and make it easier to search (even without all the preexisting categories).

Either way this is my opinion on the matter and I hope it is helpful even if just a little.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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