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Digital Art - Drawings and Paintings

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:17 AM
I'll be adding some points brought by the community at the bottom of the journal to deepen the discussion about them, scroll down for the edits!




Back in september, a discussion about the differences between Paintings and Drawings took place. The conclusion of said discussion was in a nutshell; that the differences between the two are not really that discernable which lead to confusion from the community and that was evident for you could see a mix of both in both sub-galleries. So now we're happy to announce that both sub-categories got merged into: Digital Art > Drawings & Paintings.

Another thing is that Digital Art > Other disappeared since that was another misleading category which included other sub-categories within, some of which made no sense.

Btw, you don't need to do anything if you had artworks in these sub-categories, so don't worry, they won't just disappear or anything ;)

The official statement about this can be found here and this also leads to the next point...

As stated by Moonbeam13 in that journal, there is a lot of redundancy in the current Category Tree which can be confusing both for browsing and submitting. There are sub-categories within sub-categories and sometimes these are not clear enough, they're no longer necessary, etc. So the Community Relations team  will be working in the following weeks to try to eliminate this redundancy as much as possible, merge, add and substract sub-categories if necessary so the category system be more simple, clear and straightforward. AND WE NEED YOUR INPUT!

The different CVs will be posting journals like this so we can discuss the categories piece by piece, in this journal I would like us to discuss Digital Art > Drawings & Paintings

This is the current D&P category tree:

    Digital Art

      Drawings & Paintings

        :bulletpink: Abstract :bulletpink: Animals :bulletpink: Fantasy :bulletpink: Graffiti
          - Abstract - Characters - Stencils - Text
        :bulletpink: Illustrations
          Conceptual Storybook Technical
        :bulletpink: Landscapes & Scenery :bulletpink: Macabre & Horror :bulletpink: Other :bulletpink: People
          - Fantasy - Groups - Open Format - Pin-Up - Portraits - Sci-Fi
        :bulletpink: Political :bulletpink: Pop Art :bulletpink: Psychedelic :bulletpink: Sci-Fi :bulletpink: Space Art :bulletpink: Still Life :bulletpink: Surreal

What do you think should be changed? Which sub-categories do you think should stay or should go? What about merging some of these, are all of these really necessary? Maybe you think the category tree is perfect just as it is, that's also a valid opinion. I want you to tell me!






Some first ideas

Note: Just to make clear, all of these are just that: ideas at this stage, I can't guarantee they'll happen.

Get rid of People's sub-categories
Are they really necessary? Can't we just have a People & Portraits subcategory and that's it? Or at least eliminate some of them, for example, Sci-Fi, since we already have the Sci-Fi sub-cat outside People.

Graffiti
If you browse the Graffiti sub-category you'll notice is greatly miscatted, do we really need a sole category for Graffiti? Or at least I think we could get rid of the sub-categories under Graffiti. What do you think?

Add more sub-cats to Illustration
Like Editorial, Commercial, Educational and Books (maybe rename Storybook to Books?) etc. Good or bad idea?

Creation of a new Concept Art category
Should something like this be under Digital Art or Design & Interfaces?

Space Art, Sci-Fi and Fantasy
I think Fantasy and Sci-Fi are different enough to continue separated. As for Sci-Fi and Space, maybe they could live together as they're more closely related, however let's consider not all Sci-Fi is set in a space environment, so should they continue in separated categories? should they be merged together?

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mashkina Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In my opinion, the less sub-sub categories there are the better. Many people get confused and do not submit in the proper ones anyway. So I'm totally for People&Portraits only category, without sub-categories, same goes for Graffiti.
I agree, that space and sci-fi can go together, while fantasy is a seprated category.
Also, caricature category might be useful.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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mashkina Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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AwsumZ Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Right. This 'proper comment' I promised you :B

:bulletgreen: First I'm going to bounce off the ideas that others have suggested.

People - I mentioned this in my first comment as well, and I don't think the subcategories are necessary at all. People & Portraits as a subcategory in itself will be perfectly acceptable and useable.

Graffiti - I've never used this category personally, and I don't even know what its for if I'm honest... how can one graffiti digitally? Graffiti is a traditional thing, done on walls and stuff :B I'm pretty sure that we could live without it, and those who do use the category could find somewhere else to place their artwork.

Illustration - More subcats? I think not :stare: There's hundreds of categories on dA, and I think adding more to anything is a bad idea. I'd like to see the subcategories removed completely if I'm honest.

Concept Art - ... why? In this category tree, all that would happen is a shit-tonne of miscats. If it's going to be created at all, it belongs in D&I I'd think, not Digital Art.

Space/Sci-fi/Fantasy - I think they're all different enough to continue living as separate entities, but they're also all similar enough to merge completely into one glorious "Fantasy & Sci-Fi" category.

:bulletgreen: Now moving forward to my own suggestions and thoughts on this.

Other - I think there's plenty of categories for people to choose form that 'Other' is a bit wide and redundant as a category, and an 'Objects' category would be much more useful, as we have Still Life but nothing for when you're drawing an inanimiate object that is not a technical illustration, you know? Unless 'Still Life' was renamed to encompass objects as well, I would consider killing 'Other' and creating 'Objects' in its place.

Abstract/Surreal - There is a huge amount of crossover between these two categories, and much of it is subjective as well, and what one person calls Surreal, another may call Abstract. Take Dali as an example, and his clocks - I believe they were "categorized" as surreal, but I'd happily call that Abstract as well. I think merging those two categories to an "Abstract & Surreal" category would make it easier for everyone.

Political - I'm not particularly sure about this category, its very... exact. To create a more user-friendly system, I'd consider renaming this to 'Conceptual' as with most political art, it is usually the message which is important rather than the artwork itself, and so would fit fine along with other conceptual artwork, which currently doesn't have a category.

Pop Art & Psychadelic - Often can be very different styles of artwork, but also will generally fit in fantastically to other categories. Much pop art features portraits - so can go into the people category, and a lot of psychadelic art is focus around abstract ideas, and so will fit in there. My suggestion would be to remove both these categories.

I think that's everything :)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Now that's what I call a proper comment haha :lol: Thanks for your input :D
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Kukaruz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It would be also very nice and easier for many artists if you would add the category "Manga and Anime" I think ^^
Thanks~
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Manga & Anime has its own category already :)
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Kukaruz Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh sorry, my fault! I forgot it! Thanks! ^^
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Midreky Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Student Filmographer
Since I have only seen one person comment about the Graffiti category so far I will add my share because as this other user I believe it should stay.

Sincerely I have always found sub-categories really helpful since if for instance, in the graffiti I was looking for stencil rather than anything else I would have to just click in that option to receive a wide range of what I needed so getting fully rid of the graffiti categories will make all the different sorts merge together and be harder to browse.

This said, maybe the sub-categories should go though or be slightly altered. For example we've got Abstract, Characters, Stencils and Text which are the four types of street art one can possibly encounter but if we search the graffiti category we will not only find photos of the finished pieces. Last time I checked there were also a lot of plans there still in paper or just digitally painted so maybe there should be a sub category for that so it is possible to separate what is a WIP or a CONCEPT from the FINISHED PIECE and make it easier to search (even without all the preexisting categories).

Either way this is my opinion on the matter and I hope it is helpful even if just a little.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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SunsetTheDragon Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Sci-Fi and Fantasy subcategories in People should be removed as we already have Fantasy and Sci-Fi categories already. I don't think merging Space Art and Sci-Fi is a good idea. It's true that a lot of Sci-Fi are set in space environment, but not all.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thank you! :)
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FoxStarrMoon Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
It's a good idea to merge Space-art and Sci-fi together!
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Thief-Of-Eternity Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Under "people", there are a few sub-categories.
- Fantasy
- Groups
- Open Format
- Pin-Up
- Portraits
- Sci-Fi

I think that Sci-Fi should be included in fantasy, since they are quite similar.
Is having a whole category for portraits of the head or the torso up necessary?

Those are my opinions. Might make it a little more tidy. One step at a time, right?
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thanks for your input! :D
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
If you do include concept art, it would have to be made clear and separate from the concept arts under Game Development Art.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Not all concept art is for games though ;) so I think it shouldn't go under GDA. Others have suggested it should go under Designs & Interfaces or even have their own root gallery. I think this would be a bigger project, more than just adding or eliminating a sub-category so I don't know if something like this could happen in the near future, for I think it would require a lot of planning, etc. but is certainly an idea that needs to be explored, I'll let Danie know :)
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
That's what I meant by making it clear and separate. Like some other type of title would additionally with 'concept art' would have to be used. Which is why that would be something a whole different discussion might be needed.
Yep. :nod:
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uchuubranko Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Student General Artist
:bulletblue: If you browse the Graffiti sub-category you'll notice is greatly miscatted, do we really need a sole category for Graffiti? Or at least I think we could get rid of the sub-categories under Graffiti. What do you think?

I believe that Graffiti should have its own category, but getting rid of the sub-categories would be a good idea.:nod:

:bulletblue:Creation of a new Concept Art category
Should something like this be under Digital Art or Design & Interfaces?


as *ensoul said, lots of it is traditional, maybe having for both digital and traditional?
-under design & interfaces? I just noticed that most deviants who submit "concept art", submit it to the Design & Interfaces, but I'd rather like for it to "stand out more". Design & Interfaces is VERY varied, unlike "concept art" that makes me have a clear idea.
But that's just my opinion :giggle:

:bulletblue: Space Art, Sci-Fi and Fantasy
Nothing should be merged! :nuu: `phoenixleo and ^pica-ae said it wonderfully :eager:

damn I'm useless :dummy:

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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
You're not useless, not in the slightest :lol: thanks a lot for you input! :)
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
That's good. Sheesh. The amount of tabs I had to have open because both Drawings and Paintings are two separate categories...


I actually like how there's a distinct People category. I am fine if the Portraits section gets merged with the People main category, so portrait and full shots would all go under the other ones. It already says it's main focus at least to the most degree is showcasing people, whatever genre it is in (fantasy, in groups, sci fi).
So it would be,

Digital Art
Drawings & Paintings

People and Portraits

- Fantasy
- Groups
- Open Format
- Pin-Up
- Portraits
- Sci-Fi


There is a Graffiti category in the Traditional category, but there, stencils and freehand graffiti are each distinct separate subcategories of Street Art. At least merging some together might help. Say, Abstract and Text, Characters, Stencils. Why is there a category called 'used' subcategory showing up?

Yessssss. More subcategory to Illustration. More can work...

Illustration
-Editorial
-Commercial
-Bookcover and Storybook (so both front page and inside)



Regarding, Space Art, Sci-Fi and Fantasy, against merging them all together and merging Space Art and Sci-Fi with each other. All three are distinct enough to stand alone on their own. All these years look at those categories should already have made sense how they are like. It's fine the way they are co-existing.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
The thing about Graffiti, is that it makes a lot more sense in the Traditional side, in my opinion, because Graffiti by nature is traditional, is made in the streets (or other places) with physical tools. Granted, people can make digital graffiti, hence why we have it in Digital as well, but looking at the gallery as it is now, you'll notice half of the graffiti there actually should be in traditional... and most of the gallery is flooded with things that are not even graffiti to begin with. The category could stay, I agree, with I'm not sure the sub-categories are necessary.
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
If that's the case, you can retire it I suppose. No need to have continuously having miscats if that's what mostly being uploaded in that category. And merge the subcategories to the main one and have it retired in the least.
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slugette Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't like the current sub categories under "People" at all.

Why is "portrait" there at all? The definition of portrait is "A painting, drawing, photograph, or engraving of a person.".. it's redundant, to say the least.
Also, "groups".. Are we categorising by the number of people in the picture? or the theme of the picture?

The People category really needs re-thinking.. :)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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sevenofeleven Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Do you know if there is going to be a reorg of the 3d gallery categories?
They are too broad.

Sorry if this is not the place.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Yes! As I mentioned, various CVs will be posting journals like this in the upcoming weeks to discuss the different galleries. You should keep an eye in the #communityrelations journal for that :)
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sevenofeleven Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Thanks.
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ensoul Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
Concept art shouldn't be under Digital Art. Lots of it is traditional. Maaaybe Design & Interfaces, although that's stretching the gallery's idea of 'design.'
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
That's a very good point, thank you! :)
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
I personally like the idea of merging drawings and paintings together in the digital cat. I personally use both drawing and painting techniques in my works, so choosing one was always very hard. I like this change.

Now to the sci-fi/fantasy topic : i am fine with them merged. Although they are different, quite often they are found together! Star Wars, Star Trek, Avatar for exames. Fantasy to me is something that does not exist (at the present moment) for real. Science fiction tends to be in the past or future with new "fantasical" advanced technology that we do not have. Even if in the past, there can be found some way way advanced technology. So that would be a fantasy about science and technology. Best way I can think to explain it.

Get rid of people sub cats. Way too confusing for the average person. Let us be realistic are most people gonna look up the difference?
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Thanks for your input! :)
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LivingBinary Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
It's really hard finding a place for sketches, both traditional and digital without it being sent to scraps even though sketches have proven to be more than scraps, but not quite illustrations yet. Or they just don't fall into any sub-category given period.

:bulletpink: A Concept Art category would be amazing under the Design & Interface, because concept art doesn't have to be just Digital Art and it would save you the trouble of having to add the sub-category under BOTH Digital Art and Traditional Art.

:bulletblue: What if you could just combine sub-categories with a slash? "Fantasy/Sci-fi" for example.

Its wonderful to have sub-categories, but at the same time, it's a growing curse. There are thousands of possible sub-categories not even listed and trying to appease everyone is adding more. DA might want to try to keep things just a little vague so we don't keep running into frustrations and end up putting our works in the wrong categories. Hell, even check out other sites like Pixiv's form of submitting. This is the only art community website who's picture placement is an arduous, mentally challenging task.

I personally think every single one of my drawings are in the wrong categories, but I tried my best. My downfall when it comes to categories is the specificity, I'm fine in the beginning of choosing the sub-categories, but then it gets to the very last choice and my work doesn't fall into any of them. I've tried this with every single category, it's always a dead-end.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
I agree, submitting here can be a nightmare sometimes, specially for new people :lol: that's why we're trying to make it more simple and straightforward :)

Thanks for your input!
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DeviBrigard Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Was there a category for linearts before, or am I remembering wrong?
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
There is one under Stock & Resources :) [link]
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DeviBrigard Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
I know there is one there, but it's only for linearts you want to let other people use. I must have been imagining one in the digital and traditional categories :shrug:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I#ve seen some people comment about merging Sci-Fi, Space Art and Fantasy (in one or another combination) so, here's my input on that :P

I think Sci-Fi and Fantasy are very different topics. Especially if you say it as Science Fiction ;) Sci-Fi surely is more or less fantastic, but it is not Fantasy. It is about science that is not (yet) real, but might be in the future. It is very closely related to our world as it is currently now and possible future developments.

Also Space Art is not necessarily Sci-Fi, as it can depict visuals that are real. There is Space Art that contains or is Sci-Fi, let's say if it contains space ships.

For example, I do consider Star Wars to be more Fantasy than Sci-Fi, cos it's set in the past and in a distant, different universe. While Star Trek is clearly Sci-Fi as it is set on Earth in our future and about future inventions.

Basically I think those three make sense to co-exist :)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
That really makes things more clear, thanks Anne! :D
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Woo. Someone who agrees! :phew:
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
:D
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Iiyume Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm not really very good with categories, but couldn't part of Space Art fall under Landscape & Scenery.. but on a bigger scale? Somehow.. ^^;
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
I think that would limiting the category a little, imagine categorizing this as a landscape [link] :giggle:
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Iiyume Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Right, my bad :P:juggle:
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goldgust Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Hobbyist
glad 2 see that i no longer have to feel a twinge of doubt every time my cursor brushes past the drawings category
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leomon32 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Fantasy -----> Sci-fi They shouldn't be 2 categories, Sci-fi IS a fantasy, and the opposite isn't right. That's true especially when you think about Space fantasy or Heroic fantasy.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
I do think both are very closely related, you said it yourself, Sci-Fi is Fantasy, but not viceversa, part of why I think they should stay separated. Why do you think they should be merged? :)
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leomon32 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Because of the Final Fantasy style, which melt fantasy and sci-fi stuff. There's of course pure sci-fi and pure fantasy (Lord of the ring).

Fantasy ----> Sci-fi
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|---> Heroic

If it does make sense ?
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Scanty-Kneesocks Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013  Student General Artist
I really just think drawings have line art?
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
But paintings can't have line art as well?
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