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I miss the old symbols but...

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 4:38 PM
I've been a member of this community for more than 8 years, I'm certainly not the oldest member here, but I think we all can agree 8 internet years are like a short eternity, it's a lot of time and just to prove it, tell me; how many sites have you been a member of for at least 8 years? I can only name one, and that's deviantArt. Also, 8 years are the 61% of the 13 years this site as been alive, so I've been here for more than half of this site's life.

As an old member of this site, I, like a lot of you, also miss the old symbols.

As stated on the official article, there are a few things that have been part of the site for a long time, without which deviantArt wouldn't feel like deviantArt, like the characteristic green layout or the user symbols that until recently, were part of the site.

I agree it does feel weird, the symbols I grew up with, so to speak, as an artist, are now gone. They were part of my DA experience, I saw some of them die like the @'s and saw others be used for the first time, like the #'s. I remember when Spyed was still $Spyed and then went to +Spyed. I also was there when lolly left staff and became the very first (and until then, the only one) member with no symbol at all. They are part of DA's history, and those who have been on this site for at least a few years will remember them with melancholy.

Now, going back to my personal history, I've been a member of this site for more than 8 years and I also have volunteered for more than 2 and a half years now (counting my first term, back in 2009) and I've stayed here for this long and I've volunteered part of my free time to the community for this long because I love the community.

I love interacting with its people everyday,  old and new friends alike. I love making new friends! And everyday I interact with people I've never interacted with before. Some of my IRL friends started being DA friends, heck! now that I think about it, I even met my boyfriend here first! I feel inspired (and sometimes slightly depressed haha) by looking at the amazing art I find here. I've learned more about art thanks to DA, rather than from what they teached me at school, and I love how I can find a nearly infinite amount of resources and materials I can use and the best part? for free! I've also met people who have truly inspired me in many other ways, not just on the artistic side. I even have a small additional source of income here! I don't sell many prints but I sell a lot of commissions.

I love this site for many strong solid reasons and the fact the old symbols are gone is indeed sad, but that won't make me want to leave, not even make me love this site any less. Fortunately for me, these new symbols don't affect my DA experience. I still can interact with the same people, post journals and share new art the same way I could a couple of days ago.

I love the community, the art and the people here, those are the reason why I think DA rocks, not the symbols. Granted, is a little weird to look at the site and see these new glyphs, they feel alien, I still somehow feel they don't belong here, but I know I'll get used to them eventually. They are now part of a new chapter in the history of deviantArt and I know I'll grow to like them as well.

And that's another reason why I love this site, it's in constant change. I wouldn't love it the same if it stayed the same for a long time.

So, in closing: I love and miss the old symbols, but ultimately, they aren't that important to me, not enough to make me feel this isn't my home anymore, this change hasn't changed my love for the site and the community. I'll continue doing what I've been doing until now because my focus isn't a group of symbols that aren't here anymore, my focus is the art and the people who inhabit this site.

I'm saying this because I've read a lot of comments from people saying exactly the opposite, how they are considering leaving the site just for this change, or how they feel this site isn't their home anymore, how they think the community is going downhill or how umprofessional it looks now, etc. It's specially sad when said members are people who once felt and expressed such love for the community, some old friends and even some former volunteers. I fail to see the reasoning behind this, are the symbols that important to you? More than the other amazing things this site offers?  More than the friends you met here? More than the amazing art you can find here? Really? 

I know people, specially artist, are passionate and we express our opinions loudly. And I'm not saying is wrong, feel free to express yourself the way you want. It's just that I can't help to think some people is overreacting over a thing that in my opinion, doesn't deserve this many importance. 

But this is of course, only my opinion. After all, I'm also a member of this community and as such, I also have my opinion. Also,this is my journal and I write what I think :P

Anyway, happy thursday!

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BJbear2001 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
Thank you for the encouragement, I have felt badly about DA at times.
I joined DA back in 2004 or 2005. I joined because of the passion that I saw in the art and the artists that made their works. I joined because many of the people that I had been watching from an anthropomorphic fansite had moved into DA. I joined because DA was filled with brilliant amateur artists that kept getting better and better with every quick sketch. The passion of the artists that I watched was energizing and infectious!

I'm very passionate, myself. I have a big mouth and firm convictions. I love efficiency... So while it irritates me that I have no idea what a is; the difference in loading scans and allowing for print that way, as opposed to 'create a print'; the difference in 'notices' and 'messages', and their use ( I avoid using them); etc... I still think that the little that I know (now) about DA is still great. I love the Muro aka paint applet!
I leave and come back and leave and come back from time to time, synchronized with my friend's activity or inactivity.

If the help section got hidden under numbers of pages in the sitemap and then the search section didn't have the 'classic view' option, and ads became more harassing, then I would feel badly about DA. But I like the classic view without the continuous scrolling(I loved the efficiency and low data weight of individual pages) so long as the benefits I experience here don't change, I will always be back on DA.
BJbear2001 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
RosaryOfSighsx Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
I've also been here to see a lot of symbol changes (deviant for five years). Aesthetically, I would prefer them back in front of usernames, because I find them a bit distracting. I, and I've seen other deviants commenting the same, find my eyes drawn to the symbols first, and then back to the username. And as usernames are different lengths, there's no flow.
'Regular' non-subscribed users, also feel 'naked' without a symbol and undervalued, which I think has been a serious oversight, and I think detracts from the community spirit of deviantart. And I think this would be very sad, to have people leave or feel left out because of this.

They're not that important to me other than identification purposes, which is their intention. I'm the member of a community, which is why I joined. I love deviantart, and I certainly wouldn't leave. But I think people shouldn't underestimate the impact of how changes communicate things. I think the changes, such as the hover can be really positive. But I think there should be care for things like the lack of symbol for non-subscribed members and how that could be taken.
AndyGassner Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013   Photographer
It'll take time to adjust to. Yeah, dA does silly or seemingly unnecessary things all the time but what can one do about it but adjust, things change, deal with it. I don't like the new symbols either but it apparently had reasons for implementation. Then again dA's community is full of people who get an aneurysm even if the font size of the footer text is increased by one point. >_>
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Haha true that :lol:
thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013   Writer
Happy Thursday!  And Monday, too.
puffugu Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Student General Artist
nice words....
phoenixleo Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
It's nothing new. :shrug:
Though, obviously several have views regarding this that when voiced, and tweaked, could have been improved upon the current situation.
Again, nothing new. Including your journal. :P
SingingFlames Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well said. :nod: Personally, I like the new symbols. They make more sense than the old ones and members can hover over one if they're unsure whether they're speaking to a staff member or volunteer, or another deviant. I have no problems with this change, although I know many do.
arctoa Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Student Photographer
I'll preface this by saying that I don't disagree with anything you're saying. It's a superficial change that doesn't affect site functionality in any meaningful way, and I was of the opinion that the old symbols were starting to look a little worn-out and tired.

However. The simple fact is that the new symbols - both for members, and for external links - are rather sloppy in design and execution. Hopefully the core staff pay attention to some of the more well-reasoned posts that have been composed in response, and make a few tweaks to what they've produced: there's a good update in here somewhere, I just feel like it's, at present, an unfinished product.

I think most of the frustration and ire, particularly from older members of the site, is that - in their eyes - dA is working on stuff like this rather than trying to implement features and functionality for collaborations and suchlike. However, any change is always going to meet with resistance, even when the features brought in are entirely positive: this whole furore has overshadowed the changes to More Like This and the site-wide implementation of Mentions, both of which are excellent new updates.
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