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I miss the old symbols but...

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 4:38 PM
I've been a member of this community for more than 8 years, I'm certainly not the oldest member here, but I think we all can agree 8 internet years are like a short eternity, it's a lot of time and just to prove it, tell me; how many sites have you been a member of for at least 8 years? I can only name one, and that's deviantArt. Also, 8 years are the 61% of the 13 years this site as been alive, so I've been here for more than half of this site's life.

As an old member of this site, I, like a lot of you, also miss the old symbols.

As stated on the official article, there are a few things that have been part of the site for a long time, without which deviantArt wouldn't feel like deviantArt, like the characteristic green layout or the user symbols that until recently, were part of the site.

I agree it does feel weird, the symbols I grew up with, so to speak, as an artist, are now gone. They were part of my DA experience, I saw some of them die like the @'s and saw others be used for the first time, like the #'s. I remember when Spyed was still $Spyed and then went to +Spyed. I also was there when lolly left staff and became the very first (and until then, the only one) member with no symbol at all. They are part of DA's history, and those who have been on this site for at least a few years will remember them with melancholy.

Now, going back to my personal history, I've been a member of this site for more than 8 years and I also have volunteered for more than 2 and a half years now (counting my first term, back in 2009) and I've stayed here for this long and I've volunteered part of my free time to the community for this long because I love the community.

I love interacting with its people everyday,  old and new friends alike. I love making new friends! And everyday I interact with people I've never interacted with before. Some of my IRL friends started being DA friends, heck! now that I think about it, I even met my boyfriend here first! I feel inspired (and sometimes slightly depressed haha) by looking at the amazing art I find here. I've learned more about art thanks to DA, rather than from what they teached me at school, and I love how I can find a nearly infinite amount of resources and materials I can use and the best part? for free! I've also met people who have truly inspired me in many other ways, not just on the artistic side. I even have a small additional source of income here! I don't sell many prints but I sell a lot of commissions.

I love this site for many strong solid reasons and the fact the old symbols are gone is indeed sad, but that won't make me want to leave, not even make me love this site any less. Fortunately for me, these new symbols don't affect my DA experience. I still can interact with the same people, post journals and share new art the same way I could a couple of days ago.

I love the community, the art and the people here, those are the reason why I think DA rocks, not the symbols. Granted, is a little weird to look at the site and see these new glyphs, they feel alien, I still somehow feel they don't belong here, but I know I'll get used to them eventually. They are now part of a new chapter in the history of deviantArt and I know I'll grow to like them as well.

And that's another reason why I love this site, it's in constant change. I wouldn't love it the same if it stayed the same for a long time.

So, in closing: I love and miss the old symbols, but ultimately, they aren't that important to me, not enough to make me feel this isn't my home anymore, this change hasn't changed my love for the site and the community. I'll continue doing what I've been doing until now because my focus isn't a group of symbols that aren't here anymore, my focus is the art and the people who inhabit this site.

I'm saying this because I've read a lot of comments from people saying exactly the opposite, how they are considering leaving the site just for this change, or how they feel this site isn't their home anymore, how they think the community is going downhill or how umprofessional it looks now, etc. It's specially sad when said members are people who once felt and expressed such love for the community, some old friends and even some former volunteers. I fail to see the reasoning behind this, are the symbols that important to you? More than the other amazing things this site offers?  More than the friends you met here? More than the amazing art you can find here? Really? 

I know people, specially artist, are passionate and we express our opinions loudly. And I'm not saying is wrong, feel free to express yourself the way you want. It's just that I can't help to think some people is overreacting over a thing that in my opinion, doesn't deserve this many importance. 

But this is of course, only my opinion. After all, I'm also a member of this community and as such, I also have my opinion. Also,this is my journal and I write what I think :P

Anyway, happy thursday!

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BJbear2001 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
Thank you for the encouragement, I have felt badly about DA at times.
I joined DA back in 2004 or 2005. I joined because of the passion that I saw in the art and the artists that made their works. I joined because many of the people that I had been watching from an anthropomorphic fansite had moved into DA. I joined because DA was filled with brilliant amateur artists that kept getting better and better with every quick sketch. The passion of the artists that I watched was energizing and infectious!

I'm very passionate, myself. I have a big mouth and firm convictions. I love efficiency... So while it irritates me that I have no idea what a Sta.sh is; the difference in loading scans and allowing for print that way, as opposed to 'create a print'; the difference in 'notices' and 'messages', and their use ( I avoid using them); etc... I still think that the little that I know (now) about DA is still great. I love the Muro aka paint applet!
I leave and come back and leave and come back from time to time, synchronized with my friend's activity or inactivity.

If the help section got hidden under numbers of pages in the sitemap and then the search section didn't have the 'classic view' option, and ads became more harassing, then I would feel badly about DA. But I like the classic view without the continuous scrolling(I loved the efficiency and low data weight of individual pages) so long as the benefits I experience here don't change, I will always be back on DA.
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BJbear2001 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
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Rosary0fSighs Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
:huggle:
I've also been here to see a lot of symbol changes (deviant for five years). Aesthetically, I would prefer them back in front of usernames, because I find them a bit distracting. I, and I've seen other deviants commenting the same, find my eyes drawn to the symbols first, and then back to the username. And as usernames are different lengths, there's no flow.
'Regular' non-subscribed users, also feel 'naked' without a symbol and undervalued, which I think has been a serious oversight, and I think detracts from the community spirit of deviantart. And I think this would be very sad, to have people leave or feel left out because of this.

They're not that important to me other than identification purposes, which is their intention. I'm the member of a community, which is why I joined. I love deviantart, and I certainly wouldn't leave. But I think people shouldn't underestimate the impact of how changes communicate things. I think the changes, such as the hover can be really positive. But I think there should be care for things like the lack of symbol for non-subscribed members and how that could be taken.
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AndyGassner Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013   Photographer
It'll take time to adjust to. Yeah, dA does silly or seemingly unnecessary things all the time but what can one do about it but adjust, things change, deal with it. I don't like the new symbols either but it apparently had reasons for implementation. Then again dA's community is full of people who get an aneurysm even if the font size of the footer text is increased by one point. >_>
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Haha true that :lol:
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:iconthetaoofchaos:
thetaoofchaos Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013   Writer
Happy Thursday!  And Monday, too.
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puffugu Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Student General Artist
nice words....
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:iconphoenixleo:
phoenixleo Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
It's nothing new. :shrug:
Though, obviously several have views regarding this that when voiced, and tweaked, could have been improved upon the current situation.
Again, nothing new. Including your journal. :P
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SingingFlames Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well said. :nod: Personally, I like the new symbols. They make more sense than the old ones and members can hover over one if they're unsure whether they're speaking to a staff member or volunteer, or another deviant. I have no problems with this change, although I know many do.
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arctoa Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Student Photographer
I'll preface this by saying that I don't disagree with anything you're saying. It's a superficial change that doesn't affect site functionality in any meaningful way, and I was of the opinion that the old symbols were starting to look a little worn-out and tired.

However. The simple fact is that the new symbols - both for members, and for external links - are rather sloppy in design and execution. Hopefully the core staff pay attention to some of the more well-reasoned posts that have been composed in response, and make a few tweaks to what they've produced: there's a good update in here somewhere, I just feel like it's, at present, an unfinished product.

I think most of the frustration and ire, particularly from older members of the site, is that - in their eyes - dA is working on stuff like this rather than trying to implement features and functionality for collaborations and suchlike. However, any change is always going to meet with resistance, even when the features brought in are entirely positive: this whole furore has overshadowed the changes to More Like This and the site-wide implementation of Mentions, both of which are excellent new updates.
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maytel Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I welcome change, without it there would be no evolution and no progress. For me this change is only superficial and I don't see at all how it affects professionalism.

I can honestly say that I was disappointed to read these negative journals/threats of leaving from previous CVs. What matters is the community not icons. Their passion is misdirected and should be used for other more important life battles.
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:iconartbycher:
ArtByCher Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013   Traditional Artist
So well written. I'm not a huge fan of the symbols but it doesn't change the enjoyment I get from this community :)
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:iconry-spirit:
Ry-Spirit Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
The carpet may be changed, but its still the same home ;)
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ginkgografix Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
:heart:
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Endorell-Taelos Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013   General Artist
I must admit I did feel like the new symbols were a good change and voiced some of my opinions.   Everything stated in your journal is something we all practically are forgetting. Of course we can miss the old symbols very much so, but without change the site wouldn't be where it is today. Though with everything there is good and bad in everything, we have to really forget that and think about why we had come here in the first place.  For me, I love the community and the ability to share my literature and photomanipulations. I have many friends here that without them, I wouldn't be here.   In light of everything that may look bad, there is good in everything as well. :nod: 
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
This isn't a perfect community, but nothing in life is :B There are always good and bad things, but I honestly think the good things always outweights the bad by far :lol:
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Endorell-Taelos Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013   General Artist
Oh, most definitely. :nod: 
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jane-beata Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you for expressing yourself in a peaceful and comprehensive way, not everyone I watch managed to handle it this way - sadly, because I felt put off by the responses much more than the change.

I can't say I have no understanding for the overreaction, I am not a member for as many years as other friends of mine, therefore the attachment to specific symbols is not as strong. Still, it's symbols, if those are the reason people are visiting this community every day than I missed the point.
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Andaelentari Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It's not just the symbols for me.  But I know what you're saying.  A lot of people have problems with change ><. (me included lol)
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
We all resist change, some more than others, is part of human nature I guess?
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Andaelentari Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
true, adapting and all that ^^
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WhiteRum Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
D'aww
hehe, i actually love the new symbol
feels more jolly than ever! 
and here i'm still waiting for DA to give you more partner as digital art CV :icondeathstareplz:
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Haha I'm waiting as well :lol: Did you apply? Maybe you should! You could be the one :D
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WhiteRum Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
nah, i love to spam suggest and see if mine selected or not by the CV
speaking about that, how did you become one of the CV, Thiefo?
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I applied for it ;) FAQ #85: Can I be a volunteer on deviantART?
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:iconwhiterum:
WhiteRum Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013
O: i seee
okay, thank you, Thiefo!
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:iconchutkat:
chutkat Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional Artist
I actually like the new symbols, I look like a general with a medal now <3~ haha
and thiefo is just pure love <3~ :D
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
General Chut! Sir! Yessir! :salute:
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:iconchutkat:
chutkat Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Professional Artist
DESCANSE SOLDADO! :salute:
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Swindy Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Well, about the unprofessionalism, that's exactly the reason why I didn't sign up a year sooner (been a member for 7 years). I didn't think good artists were on this site, but I was wrong :) I don't interact a lot with the community, but I watch so many artists that DeviantArt is still the first one I go to every day.

I don't care much about the symbols, it's like changing the decoration in your house, it's still your home.
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I like the decoration comparision :lol: I think so too.
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cakecrumbs Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
Really well said :clap: It's exactly my feeling when people stomp their feet and say they're leaving because of symbols. If the symbol next to your name was the epitome of your dA experience, then I mourn all the wonderful bits you've missed out on. 
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:iconmaytel:
maytel Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
:clap:
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Raekia Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
This was extremely well put/written. I'm one of those that hate the new symbols (at least put them in front of names, then I could deal....although I'll deal anyway...) but I feel you've made some valid points. I stopped going on dA for several years, and when I came back with a new account, a lot was different, but the feeling was the same. I think it'll be the same thing with these symbols. Change isn't always bad, and at heart, we're the same community.
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diphylla Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
*stands up and cheers* My thoughts exactly! Change is hard for a lot of people but the important thing for people to remember is change is a process and not an event. Thus, even though it may be hard to accept the changes being made right now eventually they will become normal once we adjust to them. I will admit the new symbols were a shock to me, but I actually like them and I am excited for more changes to be implemented. I hope others will soon come to accept the changes being implemented and realize the community may have a facelift but underneath it still has the same big heart it always did. 
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neurotype Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ME ME I been here 9 1/2 :P

If I had to have an opinion it would be 'please give me a flamey/dagger/anatomical heart at the very least' but...seriously...I mostly don't care. :B
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:iconcakecrumbs:
cakecrumbs Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
YOU GUYS MAKE ME FEEL LIKE AN INFANT. :nuu:

Do all my years stalking dA without joining count?
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:iconmaytel:
maytel Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
you are an infant :stare:
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To be fair, the first seven years I was in school and gave like...half a fuck :P

YES.
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ChelseaHantken Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
Because when it all comes down to it... we love dA, don't we? :')
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Exactly :B
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RhynWilliams Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013   Traditional Artist
the thing is, the internet isnt fake, it contains real images and words like life outside of it, and like life in nature, the internet adapts and changes to fits into the place we see, deviantart is a website ready to be controlled and if someone is there to run it then there is always going to be change, in 5 years time i can guarantee you that there will be 3 or 4 major changes in DA because art is changing, FAST with the aid of technology, like 3d printed art for example.. so I see change as a good thing! not many will agree but thats humanity, a clear example is a very popular video on youtube, 97% like it whilst 3% dont :leetcrab:
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axslayer33 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
....And here I thought my 5 years at another site was long...O.o
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:iconamylovespenguins:
AmyLovesPenguins Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Simply Beautiful.
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:iconsaiyagina:
SaiyaGina Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
 Corazon ♥
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Rosary0fSighs Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
:lol:
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
Mensa XD
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Egil21 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
Right on! :thumbsup:
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Nameda Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
I really dislike those symbols, though I wouldn't consider leaving dA just because of this!
What is more of a concern for me, is that I feel and see a lot of others feel that way too,
when we say we dislike something... nothing happens, no matter that the majority express
their dislike, be it lately the huge add a new deviation /journal fields (because you cant even say
button no more, just ridicolous and unwanted and disturbing, or this overly huge symbols which
no one wants and seem to hurt many of the deviants who have no symbol. whatever the complain
is whatever the people say, dA blandly ignores it. I have heard lately a lot of people who are hurt
/ pissed by being constantly ignored. Doubly so as Beta Testers have to be premium, = paying members
So if approx 60% and more dislike something and its ignored and stays changed anyway, that doesn't feel good.

I agree with you that we are here because of friends and art, but still... dA staff should listen a bit more
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
I understand what you say, but I don't think the staff blandly ignores the community. They've made changes in the past to new features that were requested by the community, it's just that as you know, is impossible to please everyone.

Besides, the community always will complain about every single change they make to the site, every-single-one. If they listened to us every single time and decided to retire a new feature just because a bunch of people hated it (even if it looks like a big bunch) we wouldn't have half of the features we have today. 
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