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My review on the commissions widget

Journal Entry: Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:03 PM






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As most all of you probably already know, recently a Commissions widget was released to Beta Testers. I've heard a lot of negativity towards this feature, specially because of the 20% that DA takes from the artist's earnings. But I've always thought that before saying anything about any feature on DA I would prefer to test it first, so I recently installed this widget in my profile offering some simple comissions and now that I've had the oppotunity to test it, here is my opinion.

First, the 20% deduction from your income. Yes I'm not a big fan of it either, in my opinion, the biggest negative of this feature.


I'm not an $admin or a developer and I'm not an economics expert either, so I don't understand the reasons for this deduction, however I know there must be a reason for it besides the obvious that DA needs money to keep itself running. Yes, knowing this doesn't help much, but at least if you see it from an unbiased point of view, you'll  understand it's a necessary evil if you will, and it won't go away.

Maybe I had unrealistic expectations of how the widget would work when I first heard about it, because it really disappointed me for its simplicity.


I thought the process would be something similar to DreamUp, a far more advanced commission system, where a client makes a request, the artist accepts and then an exchange of ideas and works-in-progress is made behind the scenes. Wouldn't be great if you as the artist could upload a WIP of the commission to your sta.sh and then your client gets notified automatically? "^Thiefoworld sent you a progress of your comission. [Approve] [Request Changes]" ... I dunno, something like that. What about the ability to set the payment beforehand, after the commission is done or half and half? That would be nice too. But it turns out the widget pretty much only serves to give you a message in your Correspondence which you can either accept or deny; if you accept the request the client gets charged with the amount of points you first stablished and that's it. If you deny the request.. well, I guess it doesn't happen anything :B After that you still have to contact the client directly to deliver the final product. I don't really see much difference with this and sending a note requesting a commission (the traditional way) It saves you some time and as the artist offering the work, it guarantees you'll get paid, but that's it.

Edit:
Well what do you know? It seems there IS a way to communicate with your client in a more direct way, through the new Correspondence  page, very similar to group's requests.  (dunno if this was just added or I was too stupid to notice it the first time ;P)


Still not precisely what I was expecting, but definitely a good step closer! :)

/Edit


However not everything is negative. There is a very good reason that made me think twice before discarding the widget.


Your earnings made through this widget can be later withdrawn via paypal (or as a check). Why is this useful for me? Because the great majority of people who request a commission from me usually wants to pay with points, sometimes it's the only payment method they have... and while they're nice and all, I usually don't accept points as payment, as I can't use points outside DA and I can't convert them to money either, so many of my potential requests must be declined because of this. With the widget my potential clients can pay with points and then I can convert those points to money and everyone happy! :)

So, in closing
The widget is nice, but in my opinion still very incomplete. I know I shouldn't had expected it to be a whole new system and comparing it to a whole site like DreamUp isn't fair either, but I just wish it was a little more useful. The way it works now isn't that different compared to do it via note from the start, because at the end, you still need to send notes to comunicate with your clients and deliver the commission. However the ability to withdraw my earnings is a very important advantage, so while I know I would only get 80% of it, is nice to know I'll be able to use it outside DA.

My personal veredict
if you take points as payment and don't mind keeping them or the idea of converting those points to money doesn't interest you,  the widget is NOT for you. Stick to the old system because honestly there isn't that much difference with the widget and you'll always get the 100% of your income.

If you're like me who've always wanted to offer comissions here at DA with the ability to later use that money for something else besides DA stuff, and/or offer more expensive commissions, the widget could be useful for you, just consider you'll get only the 80% of your earnings.

What I personally plan to do in the future is mix both systems: offer commissions the traditional way for those who can pay via paypal from the start and give the option of the widget for those who don't have paypal. Sounds fair? Tell me it sounds fair :stare:

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:iconthahaseen:
Thahaseen Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hi..I don't have a PayPal account and I use the commission widget.. For special requirements like borders and backgrounds alone I have asked them to pay at my donation pool.. Is this wrong?
and Sorry to bother you. I am new to DA and I don't understand certain features.Confused 
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014
Not wrong if it works for you :)
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:iconthahaseen:
Thahaseen Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Will I be able to convert the points I get at my donation pool to money?
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014
No, those points can't be converted to money, only those you earn via the comissions widget.
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:iconthahaseen:
Thahaseen Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
oh..ok..thank you so much..:)
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xnermy-oreo-chan Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2014
I-I have a question..QAQ
How can I delete a part of the commission list; for example, a part you don't want? 
I can't delete the "Edits/OCs" part..
sorry i'm not good at explaining things..
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
There is a pencil icon in the top right part of the widget, select the "Edit this widget" option, then you can edit or delete any of the options you have for the commissions you offer.
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xnermy-oreo-chan Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
But it won't let me.. ; v ;
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:iconchoaru:
Choaru Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Goto the edit page section, 
then click the down arrow on the commission widget
 then click "view widget" 
then goto the pencil then click edit this widget ^^
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xnermy-oreo-chan Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Thank you~! .3.
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:iconchoaru:
Choaru Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
no problem XD
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xnermy-oreo-chan Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
okay thanks~! .3.
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WinnDixieX3 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry to bother you and bringing up the old subject but can you please tell me, can I (as non premium member) withdraw points by paypal? (I haven't yet reached the amount of 5$ so I'm unable to check it myself and have a hard time finding the answer to my question, even tho I've been looking all over) : D
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2013
You can withdraw the earnings you obtained via commission (using the widget) or if you sold a print. You have the option to convert those earnings into points or withdraw them via paypal or check. But points given to you the normal way, if a deviant randomly gave you some or someone donated them to you, etc. those can't be withdrawn in any way.
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WinnDixieX3 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you :huggle:
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CryptoPhonic Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Ah sorry for asking but someone recently just requested a point commissions and I accepted.

When will I get the points? I'm sorry I'm new to this... I don't know what the '14 day clearing' is either..
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
You receive the payment as soon as you accept the request. Your earnings can be managed here www.deviantart.com/account/ear... there you can withdraw them via paypal or by check and you can also convert them to points. You'll have to wait for the clearing though, that means that you won't be able to withdraw your earnings until the  14 days have passed. That is for administrative and legal reasons not even I understand completely, but yeah, you'll have to wait that time. :)
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:iconcryptophonic:
CryptoPhonic Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
Oh I see! Thank you so much! I was a bit confused about waiting for 14 days but I get it now even though I don't see why they put that there XD
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:iconwhispii:
whispii Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I cant find the commissions widjet, where would I be able to find it. or do I have to have some sort of membership?
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
The commissions widget is listed under "Misc" when you're selecting the widgets you want to add to your page. If you need help to customize your page you can check FAQ #90: How do I customize my profile page? :)
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whispii Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013  Student Digital Artist
thanks, I was wondering about that
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:iconberryu:
Berryu Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A very stupid question...: If you accept a commission, but then click it away, so delete it from the correspondence page...is there any way to see that commission again? So just so you know who commissioned you and so on? (Hope you understand me, my english is verrry bad ;) )
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013
You can check all your correspondence messages here [link] even if you deleted them from your message centre :)
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:iconberryu:
Berryu Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very, very much!! :hug:
And btw the review was very helpful :)
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xDarkNecroFearx Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
How do you get to the correspondence page? ((Without clicking your handy dandy link XD))
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
In the upper menu bar, to the left, between the deviantart logo and the search bar there's a button which opens the main menu, My Correspondence is the last item in the right column :)
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xDarkNecroFearx Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks so much :) Found it.
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RandomMochaTheDog Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Brilliant review! Too bad I don't really do commisions and just like reading your stuff xD
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PiercePapercraft Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I don't think any has asked this, but do you know what it means when a transaction says "Clearing in 14 days"? The points will stay, right or do I have to try and get that money before the days are up?
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:iconthiefoworld:
Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
It means the points are still not available to be withdrawn. It's for safety measures, DA has to check the transaction is legitimate and legal and stuff, that's why you have to wait 14 days to be able to use those points :)
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PiercePapercraft Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hm, interesting. I usually post then commissions and the. Send a note to the commissioner. Will I be able to keep my points if I do that or is there a certain way I have to give it to them?
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NICK-XMG Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student Interface Designer
this was good
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annaoi Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi thanks for the review :) Can I link your journal to me journal so I can inform my watchers and friends?

It seems like a better way would be mixing up the systems -- I like the idea.. :)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Sure! no problem :)
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tendrepromesse Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
I love the way, I love the gifs... I love you (?)
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
My gifs love you too! :heart:
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tendrepromesse Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
huhu ~
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Shadi-mei Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist
Have you sent the dA team your suggestion about the WIP/approve/deny feature? It sounds like it'd be fabulous and yes the Points system would be fair seeing as I'm one of those people who has only Points and not money;;;
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FicticiousAnimation Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Obviously the widget needs a half and half system because you can't trust people. I've known people to "forget" about requests.

Also, I hope DA makes this widget available to free members. I mean, seriously. DA can only gain from making it a free widget. Lol.

Thanks for the review, though. This widget is actually the perfect thing for me because I do not want or even like DA points, lolxd.

I'm already a stock artist, but sometimes I have to limit myself. (Example: Needs a white background, or certain themes aren't allowed.) -But with the commissions widget, I would be able to make my money and express myself the way I want to. Thanks, ^Thiefoworld. :D
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icefire8521 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
They are making it a free widget.
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FicticiousAnimation Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
YES!!!! :iconfinallyplz:
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Nameda Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
sounds absolutely fair and i think its a pitty dA does offer to change money you earned into points but not the other way round. Something dA maybe should consider
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Firey-Flamy Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed. Nobody makes you to use it, right? If you have no need to convert the points you earn into the real money, you still can take commissions in, so to say, the traditional way.

P.S. Yeah, it is fair, indeed. Can't wait when you open your commishes for points again :giggle:
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Elixia-Dragmire Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
my major bugbear was the points/money cap. its 24. my current commish is about 55 so its sort of restricted in that manner.
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PolyMune Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It's great that you can finally withdraw the points for money: I have been waiting for that feature for awhile, because several artists want to commission via points but feel bad because it's all they have to use (as some people get points as prizes but still dont have the money)

But there's a lot of kinks they need to work out. I like your idea of the back and forth, where they have to accept or deny your sketches for the commission, that's really cool! If they want to help eliminate the 'note' way of commissioning.

Like you i'll be offering both methods in the future, trad. way and this way for awhile. Great review :love:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
:#1:
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Gwendolyn12 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I love the fact you can withdraw this to paypal. Heck.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
Yes! :D
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DistortedSmile Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Nice to see a review of this without lots of caps and exclamation marks :lol:
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
But full of gifs instead :lmao:
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