I disagree because if you're a fan it's because you really like what the thing is at that moment. If it changes then it's not the thing you really loved anymore, but that doesn't change the fact that you were (and maybe still is) a fan.
Why must "I disagree" and "shiny balls" be two different options???
But I disagree.. If you're a fan of something, you're a fan of what it is, not what it may become. Say I like chocolate pudding.. if you shove licorice in there and I tell you I dislike it, and you come to the conclusion that I didn't truly like chocolate pudding, I would look at you like you've got severe issues and probably cease to have further conversation with you.
New Daredevil comics: after Secret Wars (weird intercompany crossover event) he moves back to New York FOR THE SECOND TIME, gets a nifty new outfit, a partner and even after years of DD protecting his identity even after everyone knew and just unmasking anyways, nobody apparently knows his identity anymore.
this is the kind of change that turns people off because you're going back to a dark and gritty theme nobody liked from a nice new fresh and colorful theme we haven't seen in years.
taking something new gone good and everyone likes and putting it back where it was.
getting out of hand but I'm just putting my thoughts out there in a relevant thread
If you're a fan of that thing, and it changes, then it's something different from what you were a fan of. So it's irrelevant whether you like the new content or not because it's not what you originally had.
A real fan knows when to say "stop, this isn't cool any more" if something bothers them. Leaving something without making any drama and just saying "don't like it any more" doesn't hurt anyone.
In the cases where they stop fawning over something like they did before it's just a case of "I enjoy this but not on the level where people question if need to see a shrink about my obsession." which means they will still talk about the thing, it's just not 100% perfect all the time on all accounts and they recognize that.
I totally agree with dragondoodle being a fan of sth is very diferent to being a purist of sth. A fan is someone who appreciate certain aspects of a story for example, if you love the protagonist but then they change his personality and it doesn't connect with you then there's no need to defend something to death if you don't like it. This happend to me when I watched Elementary after watching bbc's Sherlock, same character but then they changed some things and it just didn't feel the same (Cumberbatch is the best)
I think it really depends on WHAT changes. You can be a fan for the characters, or the setting, or the writing, or something else . . . but if that is the thing that changes and you find yourself not liking the result then I don't see why anyone would be accused of never being a true fan. You were a true fan of that aspect . . . now that it's changed you have no reason to be a fan of it since you don't like it
I find this especially true of writing. If something is really well written and suddenly the writer leaves and a new one comes on and just doesn't write the way you've been loving then I see no reason to accuse someone of not being a fan if they don't like the way things have changed.
In my personal opinion all this "true fan" stuff is nonsense. To love something blindly, even when the quality degrades to the point that it is no longer what you fell in love with, just so you can still call yourself a "fan" is just a tad . . . clingy? Desperate? Comes off as a bit sad.
Then again, I'm a jaded old fart and haven't been what anyone would call a "true fan" of anything in a long time. I like things, but never blindly or just because I should. I'm too old for that nonsense XD
Exactly! This has happened in a few cases for me . . . although in a couple of cases the sound changed and I still liked what they were doing, it was just different so I kept listening. I've noticed it's more glaring when there's a band upheaval and someone who was integral leaves. I cases like that I'll hunt down the "deserter" and see what they're doing and see if that's what I liked in the first place
If something changes then if you're a true fan your feelings about it should actually change!
The other situation doesn't make sense. If you like it whatever is going on in it, you're just somebody who is easy to please. If you were 100% into something and suddenly it is no longer that thing... then unless your feelings were fake or volatile or easily changed... you shouldn't still like that same thing 100%, right?
Honestly yes and no. I think being a "fan" of something has a different meaning to different types of people. If, for example, you really like a T.V. show for what the characters stand for and represent and then the second season comes out and all those morals seems to be forgotten then I think it's perfectly alright to stop liking it. Unfortunately I think a lot of times when people say things like "you're not a real fan" it's because they are obsessed with whatever it is and feel the need to show that. In someway that thing has helped them to overcome something, or feel better, or let them escape the world they are in and for another person to watch the show, book series, sport, etc for a while and then stop watching when it no longer appeals to them feels very personal. I think people go through a lot of different stages where different things help them out. I just went through one of those phases last year and would fight someone tooth and nail over a certain T.V. series to uphold its honor because that was the T.V. series that helped me get out of the rut of my depression. Now I am in a better situation and am so much happier than I was. I still love the T.V. show and can't wait for episodes, but I no longer feel the need to defend it endlessly. I think it is perfectly alright to love something entirely because it resonates with you and then you find you no longer love it because it lost the part that effect or moved you. For the time you loved it you were a "real fan" and then as you lost interest you became just a normal fan or maybe not one at all. You do not have to love something for all eternity to be a real fan, you only have to love it while it's important to you. As long as it makes a difference however small it was worth it.